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07 Changes



Hey everyone. It's 90 degrees in the shade here in PA A round of your
favorite - on me.

I don't post here very often and I know somehow I'm goona catch some
flack on this. I'm trying to get some initial feedback on the newly
announced changes in the 07 lineup, most importantly for those who
haven't seen the Harley web site yet, a new TC 96 engine mated with a 6
speed tranny on all models (cep't Sporty's).

I'm not trying for a flame war here and there is a selfish motivation
for my asking. I'm just about to close a deal on an 04 Ultra with
3000 miles on it - and I have a 2000 FXDWG as my current ride. I'm now
in a bit of a quandry as to how to juggle this all around.

I'm curious what you guys think forcing the new TC96 Engine combined
with 6 speed tranny will do to the whole market. I know my dealer is
gonna tell me it's the greatest thing to ever happen to mankind. I'm
looking for opinions of riders, not sellers.
I don't see it as a big deal. The engine is the same engine they have been
building for years, just a couple more cubes. The transmission is good, but
then again I also don't see at as a deal breaker.
The improved cam chain set up is the best part of it I see.
If the MOCO had come out with a totally new engine/transmission combo, maybe
water cooled then it would really catch my attention.
To me the '07's look like the same old glacier speed technology changes the
MOCO is famous for!
I am hanging on to my '05 until something "new" comes out!


I was around for the Evo./Twin Cam change over in 99. That one I could
somehow justify because it seemed the TC88 did address quite a few
problem areas of the Evo. (in a relative sort of way). This move, I
what problems areas of an EVO ?

see more as a forced obsolescence maneuver and a way to drive down the
value of everything pre-07, with no real gains. The TC 96 will have to
drink more fuel and I'm not convinced the extra gear will compensate for
that. I also understand that oxygen sensors or other expensive work
arounds on the EFI will be necessary for any engine and/or exhaust work.
I know that's not all Harley's fault but it's still a part of the new
package.

I know it's a new model year and new prices always go up and used prices
always drop. Just curious if there are any learned opinions on this
rather significant move and how you see the used bike market heading.
This seems a little quick and pointless to me. Or am I missing
something legit?

Opinions, comments (nasty or nice)? Thanks.
I personally don't see the changes Harley made as being significant. They
added a gear and juggled the ratios. They added helical gears to the tranny
when they should have made them for the cams. They put o-2 sensors on to
keep them emission compliant. The extra cubic inches can be had on a regular
TC88 with a big bore kit. Stage two big bore kits have been readily
available on ebay from dealers a couple of years now for around $600. I've
bought several. For the most part it seems to be business as usual for
Harley. I'll keep my '05.
I may be mistaken but it appears all engines are now Fuel System3 Electronic
Sequential Port Fuel Injection
(ESPFI) even the sportys no more carbs.